Just got a Turbo-maro in!

"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
04/04/2016 at 15:53 • Filed to: None

eeeh. eeeeeeeehhhh. It’s fast as far as numbers but the power delivery is lackluster at best, and the turbo is very apparent when it comes on to boost. Compare this to JayhawkJake’s Boostang which had a seamless turbo, great response, and would set you back in your seat, the Camaro is super meh. It feels like it’s powered by very large rubber bands, though that might just be the automatic vs the manual in the Mustang, or the fact that the 4cyl turbo Camaro is the base model whereas the 4cyl turbo Mustang is midrange, so Ford gave more of a shit when they tuned it. Somehow, also, the Camaro manages to sound worse than the Ford. Not sure how that’s possible.

DISCUSSION (46)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 15:59

I demand an oppo race of 4 cylinder turbo pony cars!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/04/2016 at 16:00

Well, the Ford will win...

I suggest Turbomaro vs V6 ‘stang and V6 Camaro vs Boostang instead.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:05

Credit where it’s due... the Code 130R did indeed make it into production.

BeaterGT > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:05

OMGTURBOScreamcreamcream

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/04/2016 at 16:06

The Ford would destroy the ‘Maro

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
04/04/2016 at 16:09

Eeeh, too heavy/large, even if it is a huge improvement over the previous gen.

Jayhawk Jake > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
04/04/2016 at 16:10

This is WAY bigger than the Code 130R

Jayhawk Jake > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:10

It’s probably the auto. The mustang doesn’t feel that good with the auto either.

The sound is probably better too, but Ford has the fake sounds so it pretends to sound better.

yitznewton > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:11

Doesn’t really surprise me, as this is the entry-level Camaro, as opposed to the EcoBoost... amirite?

Alex Zapata > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:11

Meh, GM has never quite gotten the hang of Turbo cars, let alone 4 cylinder Turbo cars.

Whilst Ford has excelled at it, making some of the best 4 Cyl Turbo cars in history.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 16:16

Get out of here with your logic. Though after driving a base model manual Saturn Sky and then driving a base model auto Saturn Sky... yeah, it’s probably the trans. GM sucks balls at automatics in their sports cars. It even sucked in the 2008 Corvette I drove around for a day.

I was judging the sound based on how yours sounded pulling away from my house the other day vs the camaro with the windows down in a closed room, so it’s not entirely fair but I was trying to get the sound from the outside and judge those against each other. Either way they’re both wheezy sounding fourbangers.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > yitznewton
04/04/2016 at 16:17

Yup, this is true but with some tuning and exhaust niggling it could have been so much more competent.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Alex Zapata
04/04/2016 at 16:18

The Cobalt SS begs to differ on that point.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:18

The Code130R was an Alpha-based, 2.0T sports car.

This is an Alpha-based, 2.0T sports car.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 16:18

Regardless...

The Code130R was an Alpha-based, 2.0T sports car.

This is an Alpha-based, 2.0T sports car.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Alex Zapata
04/04/2016 at 16:25

The Grand National, GNX, Syclone and a pair of concepts (Trailblazer SS Concept and Colorado SS Concept) have something to say to you on the first part of that, and the Cobalt SS would like a word on the second.

yitznewton > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:39

Isn’t that the point though? If I’m Chevy, why would I waste my development budget on the rental trim? I wouldn’t be surprised if this does serve as R&D for a larger 4-cylinder turbo in the next-gen RS, though.

Milky > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 16:39

Ford fakes the noise on the boostang? Well that’s disappointing.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 16:46

0-60 is identical.

Jayhawk Jake > Milky
04/04/2016 at 17:32

If you say so. I think it’s fun. It sounds pretty good, even though it’s fake. Frankly I don’t think they take it far enough. Let me make it sound like a GT40 or something.

Outside the car the exhaust sounds mediocre, but you can hear the turbo spool. I’m almost alwasy the one driving so I don’t see it as a problem.

Jayhawk Jake > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 17:33

No it wouldn’t. Straight line should be tied, on paper. On a course? Camaro is probably faster since it’s lighter.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 17:46

Yeah I’m kind of surprised seeing the bias for the Boostang here. On paper the Turbomaro is just as fast, and so far they’ve seen to underrate their other trims.

Jayhawk Jake > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
04/04/2016 at 18:36

They’re both nice. I think the Mustang looks better. As much as I like the Camaro it’s done the opposite of grow on me. I wish they’d have done more with the styling. Still really want to drive one and regret my purchase though

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 18:59

I think the styling is great, but the Mustang looks a lot classier. The Camaro is ‘Murican, while the Mustang wouldn’t look out of place at a country club. The thing about the Camaro that I liked the most over the Mustang, is the interior on the base car. It didn’t feel like a penalty. The screen is slightly smaller, but it doesn’t scream that you should have paid more. Everything I would normally touch was soft. The seats were power and comfortable. It wasn’t a penalty. I think as long as everything goes as planned, I’ll enjoy mine for a while once I get one. Unless someone beats me to it, I’ll be sure to review it. And explain why I didn’t get the V8.

Jayhawk Jake > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
04/04/2016 at 19:12

When I was configuring the turbo camaro the ‘tech pack’ was zero cost.

I sat in an SS briefly, I don’t remember being as impressed as I was with the first premium Mustang I was in. That’s what ‘sold’ me on the Mustang: I was going to wait for the Camaro, but I test drove an Ecoboost and found myself impressed. I fully suspect if I’d waited I’d have liked the Camaro just as much, but I got impatient. They’re both good cars.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 19:15

It’s a $1000+ option last time I configured it, I still plan on checking that box, along with the performance brakes and cooling, which $480 when the RS package is checked. But what I was referring to was base package cars versus base package. The Mustang’s tiny standard screen looks cheap. Higher trim to me is kind of a tie, while I like the tightness of the cabin in the Camaro, it also feel a bit smaller than the Mustang. I also quite like the steering wheel feel in the Camaro. It is an ugly wheel though.

Jayhawk Jake > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
04/04/2016 at 19:46

The Camaros options are a bit weird to me. RS gets you all the fancy appearance bits, and tech pack gets you the big screen, but you have to go to 2LT for leather. By the time you do the price creeps up pretty high. My Mustang MSRP’d near a mostly loaded V6 Camaro, what I paid would have gotten me 2LT and that’s about it.

One of these days I need to make a trip to the Chevy dealer and drive the Camaro and my Mustang back-to-back. On paper the Camaro is the better performer, while the Mustang is, as you put it, classier. The Mustang is more of an American replacement for like a 135i or A5 while the Camaro is purely an American sports car.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 19:49

Well, according to Motortrend, the Camaro does a better job of driving than the Europeans. But I get what your saying. Remember, the V6 is the mid spec engine on the Camaro, and the 2LT is pretty much the equivalent to the Premium Mustang. RS is just an appearance package, that makes the performance parts cheaper.

Milky > Jayhawk Jake
04/04/2016 at 21:29

I just like “real” noises, only saying its disappointing because turbo cars can sound really nice. See the 500 Abarth for an example.

Alex Zapata > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
04/04/2016 at 22:31

Popular among GM enthusiasts is different from good and good for USDM standards is different (way different) from actually good. :)

Alex Zapata > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/04/2016 at 22:42

You are the second comment saying that, I’m not entirely sure what you could possibly mean, the Cobalt is seriously shitty in my book, not very well made, as it turns out it turns itself off at inconvenient times and didn’t offer particularly good handling at the time it was made.

Isn’t the engine a detuned Saab engine?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Alex Zapata
04/05/2016 at 08:42

Um... say what? The FWD car from 2008 that goes around the CD Lightning Lap just over a second behind a brand new, AWD Golf R, didn’t offer particularly good handling?

Not to mention a second and a half ahead of a brand new GTI?

The Cobalt is a piece of shit in my books too, but GM has a track record of diverting funds desperately needed elsewhere to be used turning mediocre or worse cars into red-hot racers.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Alex Zapata
04/05/2016 at 08:51

There’s a difference between USDM standards and USDM tastes. Specifically the (greater) interest in straight line speed.

GN/GNX were taken from a competent-but-meh-whatever car, fair enough. To say they weren’t good at the task they were designed for is ridiculous. Even by today’s standards they’re fast.

Syclone would eat a 348 in a drag race. 0-60 in 4.~ (I’ve seen .1, .3 and .6—so...) is still amazingly quick. Especially for the price. And, straight out of the mouth of the Clarkson (who isn’t exactly known for his love of either the US, GM, or pickups) it actually handles pretty well and feels solid.

Concepts... who knows. But you’re dodging the original point here, which is GM has done quite well with turbos. Mostly in areas where you wouldn’t expect them. So, the turbo I5 and I6 would have probably gone over quite well.

Cobalt SS... I’ve already covered this.

Party-vi > Alex Zapata
04/05/2016 at 09:03

not trying to pile-on here, but you’re doing yourself a disservice not knowing about the amazing work John Heinricy and his team did with the suspension tuning on the Cobalt SS. The 2007 Cobalt SS was just 0.85 seconds behind a 2000 E46 M3 on the Nordschleife. That’s pretty damn impressive.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jayhawk Jake
04/05/2016 at 10:29

This is why I demand an oppo turbo pony race

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
04/05/2016 at 10:29

This is why I demand an oppo turbo pony race

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
04/05/2016 at 10:30

Meh, I want to see it happen

Alex Zapata > Party-vi
04/05/2016 at 10:30

Nurburgring times are a very relative measure of a cars performance, though I agree it is a very impressive time.

I find it hard to believe that a car that is slower than a Golf R around Laguna Seca can be faster than a Focus RS around the Ring though? The fact that it’s in the page is very impressive.

Still don’t like it though.

citizennick > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
04/05/2016 at 10:43

Holy shit, congrats!!! 2016 Camaro oppo owners unite!

Party-vi > Alex Zapata
04/05/2016 at 10:45

Oh trust me the Cobalt is a piece of shit - all plastic and whatnot but the SS is a great handling and performing piece of shit.

Alex Zapata > Party-vi
04/05/2016 at 10:59

Well hey, so is the SRT4 so I guess they did a good job at competing.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Alex Zapata
04/05/2016 at 11:05

SRT4 is more on par with the original, supercharged SS. Just a mini muscle car, built for straight line speed rather than corners.

It’s nearly 8 seconds slower than the turbo SS but just 0.2 seconds behind the supercharged SS.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/05/2016 at 11:22

If it were me vs. Jayhawk, he’d win in either car lol. He has a bit more experience than me.

Alex Zapata > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
04/05/2016 at 11:23

Nurburgring times?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Alex Zapata
04/05/2016 at 11:36

No. VIR. C&D Lighning Lap, same as my other comment. Sorry, I forgot this wasn’t part of that conversation.

2015 Volkswagen Golf R - 3:12.3

2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS - 3:13.0

2015 Volkswagen GTI - 3:14.6

2006 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged - 3:20.6

2008 Dodge Caliber SRT4 - 3:20.8

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/light…

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Jayhawk Jake > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/05/2016 at 12:40

Driver difference is the biggest problem. I beat two GT’s at autox this weekend, but another destroyed me.